Quraan Misunderstood 60:4 and 5:33

Every day, someone or the other jumps up claiming Quraan has hateful verses. I realize "hate" and "lies" sell and bring serious monies to some of these men and women. Of course, most of them are genuinely mistaken quoting the quote without having the urge to search for the veracity of such quotes dished out to them.

At one time, I beleived in those misquotes and had turned myself away from religion for nearly 30 years, until I realize that even if my Imam, Pastor, Rabbi or Pundit tells me one thing, truth is my own salvation. Now, I have developed an unflinchable confidence that God, no matter what book it is; Torah, Bible, Gita, Quraan Avesta or others... communicates about justice and balance in the society.

Geert Wilders wrote a piece why he hates Islam, as he has done twice before with the movie Fitna and quoting verses that were not there in Quraan, but shamelessly many a American dumb gullible Senators believed him, without even trying to find the truth. I responded to him in detail, he did not care - like Mr. Bush with WMD's, he know it was a lie, but he still went out on destructive rampage.

My response to Geert Wilders Message to Muslims Mike Ghouse 20 Jul 2010 was picked by Faith freedom group, another group bent on falsifying or genuinely don't care about the truth.

Here is their claim and my response.

The Faithfreedom http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&p=118556 writes the following verses from Qur’an in my responses to Geert Wilders at http://www.muslimsdebate.com/faces/sn.php?nid=644

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Faithfreedom quotes and writes;

Koran 60:4
There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides God: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever, - unless ye believe in God and Him alone": But not when Abraham said to his father: "I will pray for forgiveness for thee, though I have no power (to get) aught on thy behalf from God." (They prayed): "Our Lord! In Thee do we trust, and to Thee do we turn in repentance: to Thee is (our) Final Goal.

Koran 60:4 sets out the Islamic position of hatred and enmity towards those who do not accept Allah and Muhammad.

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Mike Ghouse quotes the verse from Qur’aan

Qur’aan, 60:4 (Asad) Indeed, you have had a good example in Abraham and those who followed him, when they said unto their [idolatrous] people: "Verily, we are quit of you and of all that you worship instead of God: we deny the truth of whatever you believe; and between us and you there has arisen enmity and hatred, to last until such a time as you come to believe in the One God!" The only exception was Abraham's saying to his father "I shall indeed pray for [God's] forgiveness for thee, although I have it not in my power to obtain anything from God in thy behalf." [And Abraham and his followers prayed:] "O our Sustainer! In Thee have we placed our trust, and unto Thee do we turn: for unto Thee is all journeys' end.

This narration is about Abraham‘s experience, and not about Allah or Muhammad. However, we have to continue to understand the wisdom of the holy books of all religions. Religion was about peace making and not otherwise.

One God is referred to as oneness of creation, oneness of the universe and one family with diverse members in it. The idea is not the opposition of idolatry, but the opposition of enmity that is bred by individual Gods who are an extension of one’s ego and a sources of conflict. It was the idea of an abstract God that mitigated the conflicts among the warring tribes during Abraham and continued till this day. Even if there were a million Gods, from a humanistic point of view, one of them ends up ruling the others to have harmony among them.

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The Faith freedom writes;

Koran 5:33
The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land.

`Wage war' mentioned here means, oppose and contradict, and it includes disbelief, blocking roads and spreading fear in the fairways. Mischief in the land refers to various types of evil.

Does Mike Ghouse support the "recompense" of those who oppose the theology of Islam?

Would he like to explain just these two verses out of the many that he would need to either support or reject?

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Mike Ghouse

The recompense referred to here is “against those who wage war”. Every nation follows that policy, indeed, when Osama Bin Laden waged war against us, we attempted to recompense that evil man for waging the war, and we still trying to do that. Although we are destroying others thoughtlessly instead of getting the evil man and hang him, if he were caught in Texas, we will electrocute him.

Indeed, the Qur’an adds, if the aggressors stop the aggression, do not go after them. Is there any nation on this earth, or an individual who would not stop the aggressor?